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Pat and DJ, November 11, 1986 (Tape 1)

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Title

Pat and DJ, November 11, 1986 (Tape 1)

Subject

Lesbian and Gay Experience
Lesbian Community--New York (State)--New York
Lesbians--Discrimination
Lesbian bars
Lesbians--Identity
Prostitution

Description

Side A: Liz and Madeline ask Pat and DJ for feedback on a draft of "Boots of Leather, Slippers of Gold." Pat claims the book paints too rosy a picture of lesbian life, underplaying the prejudice most lesbians encountered in the 1940s and '50s. Both talk about the Buffalo bar scene in the 1940s and '50s: mentioned are Carousel, Bingo's, the Chesterfield, Ralph Martin's, the Mardi Gras, and the Midtown. The discussion shifts to relationships, faithfulness, and prostitutes.

Recording has loud feedback sounds and squeaks at the beginning.

Side B: Pat and DJ discuss bar denizens vs. lesbians who did not frequent bars and the "class" distinction there, and also the way non-butch lesbians looked down on butches. DJ describes how her long-term relationships were analogous to marriage, where she was the breadwinner and her partners were housewives who perhaps worked but did not "provide." Both discuss the fact that in the 1940s and '50s butches had the freedom to have affairs whereas femmes were expected to be faithful. This created an atmosphere of mistrust in which monogamous long-term relationships became very difficult.

Recording has loud squeaks at the beginning, hisses throughout, and cuts off abruptly at the end.

Date Created

1986-11-11

Citation

Liz Lapovsky et al., “Pat and DJ, November 11, 1986 (Tape 1),” Herstories: Audio/Visual Collections of the LHA, accessed March 22, 2019, http://herstories.prattinfoschool.nyc/omeka/document/SPW%23%20457.